Re: Standard Issue - Pistols?

[damocles@nostromo.gate.net (Randy Vice)]

On Wed  8-Jan-1997  8:54p, sd-pinworthy@worldnet.att.net wrote:

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>I dissagree simply after the immediate chaos and death and the survivors
>either get better or die, the need for advance specialist that inhabit
today's
>hospitals are not going to be able to be supported by the survivors.
>Excluding the life saving supplies, many reasons for today's hospital visits
>will not happen.  Birthing would be done at home.  Terminal illness won't be
>treatable and no reason to go to a "hospital" to die.  Joint replacements
will
>be a thing of the past.  Setting of broken bones, bullets removed would be
>more like the turn of the century, at the Doc's home so he could watch them
>close while they recover.  Hospitals, what would be left of them, would once
>again be a place synonimous with a place to die.
>

SD> OK, using your example most medical care would be done at home, right? 
SD> Now
SD> after 3 to 4 years after the balloon went up how many people will need
SD> urgent care of a doctor?  Most if not all of the wounded will either have
SD> recovered or died years ago.  The ones with rad burns will be the same
SD> way
SD> and if there are any broken bones etc thay will either have been set or
SD> have
SD> healed on their own.  The bigest threat will be dieseses(SP?) like
SD> smallpox,
SD> colohra, flu, and any others that we take for granted now.  But even with
SD> this, most of the epademics will have burned themselves out by that time.
SD> Most of the survivers at this time (3 to 4 years ATBWU) would be doing
SD> subsistance farming and taking care of any medical problems on their own
SD> using folk remedies.  Anyone with a collection of Mother Earth News back
SD> issues would have lots of these remedies recipes.

Right, the more isolated they were from any remain "Docs" the more they are
going to rely on family for medicle help unless they can get the Docs to go
travel to the sick of course.  I just don't see them packing up the
sick/injured and shlepping them to the hospital where there is little to no
heat nor security for them.

>SD> <[SNIP]>
>>They would be going where the people are, and that is where the most need
>of >a doctor isn't?
>>SD> Especially when there are Medics who could do the same function.  
>>If they have roughly the same skills as a medic does, sure.  If they can't
>>pull bullets out, diagnos a problem pregnancy, or repair a body joint, no.
>SD> A Doctor is going to repair a human JOINT in field conditions???  That
>SD> last time I checked was considered major surgery.  
>
>When the probable outcome is either never have it repaired or death, I'd go
>with the "field" surgery.  
>

SD> Where is the URGENT need?  

Usually means immediate care now or life/limb is at stake.

All of the urgent need cases would be dead
SD> already or will have healed.  Unless of course the team caused the
SD> injuries
SD> when they arrived on the scene... Then you could deffently use a Doctor.

Or recieved them themselves or by two footed animals.

SD> <[BIG SNIP]>
>SD>When the Project showed up, they would give what
>SD> supplies they could, find out what the most needed supplies and aid were,
>SD> radio in the report and move on to the next town or refugee camp.  
>
>Right, and do whatever they could for immediate comfort and aid.  A Dr. in
>these Recon teams would be invaluiable.  

SD> Why are you expecting to find bodies just laying around wheezing, broken
SD> and
SD> battered in every town, village, or camp the team stumbles on to?

Makes an interesting night for PCs to be hero's once again when it does
happen.  Since time began, there have been two footed animals praying on
decent "folk" and I have little fear of this not repeating itself in a MP
world.  

SD> I mean what more PR asset do you need
>for some bunch of wierdo's in strange ass uniforms, heavy weapons,
>paramilitary vehicles, but gosh dang it!  They HEAL people.  

SD> So, your saying a trained paramedic or exmilitary combat medic couldn't
SD> do this as well?

Paramedics (EMT-P) are there to stablize a victum and transport.  I'm not sure
what a combat medic can or cannot do.  I've stated repeatedly that if they are
up to the Snake Eater Medic in Chicago Module, that is close enough to a Doc
for my gaming purposes.

>They tend to the sick and injured and promise to come back with more
SD> medicine.  
>Now that is worth it's wieght in gold, IMHO for Recon Teams to be able to
have.

SD> And just how many sick and injured wil be laying around 3 to 4 years
SD> after the war?

A fair amount.  It wouldn't be a pretty world out there as the two footed
animals lose what little humanity they had in a "modern" society.

SD>  
SD> <[SNIP]>
>Who else is suppost to do the rebuilding?  I don't remember seeing Rebuilding
>Teams frozen in massive numbers, just waiting to pop when Recon stumbles on
>damaged areas.  Recon is (atleast as far as I can tell) is the most populous
>team in MP.  Therefore, they should be the major effort for rebuilding with
>Science and Engineering to be called in when major problems cannot be
overcome
>by the local Recon team.
>

SD> Where in TM 1-1 does it say the the Morrow Project was to rebuild the US?
SD> Last time I looked it said the project was to help with the rebuilding by
SD> making it easier for the survivers to rebuilding.  The MP would provide
SD> help
SD> and tech know how but, they wouldn't do the job for the people.  Check
SD> the
SD> story of Prime Base.  PB used the least amount of support (IMO) needed to
SD> help found the survivers new town.  They didn't build the town and then
SD> drag in the survivers to it.  

So who is suppost to *help* the surivors to rebuild? Wouldnt these teams be
the most populous of all the MP teams?  

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