[lawful] Re: the States are not provisional military governments

["Paracleas" <paracleas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

In my understanding,  prior to a constitution providing the parameters of a 
nations government, a military government or a provisional government was 
not be the only potentiality as far as governments go.  As far as oversight, 
sure, until towns and counties and then nations could be established.. but 
not for direct rule.

In my understanding, things were very organized due to the common law.  A 
man's home (land) was his castle.. he had the right to deal with things the 
way he felt necessary (check out that good old 'Doctrine of Necessity, you 
know, the one Tom Jefferson used in the Declaration of Independence).  Towns 
were created by those people in close proximity.  These people gave over 
certain authorities of their sovereign authority to these towns, which, in 
essence, put them under the authority of the town.  These towns then created 
commerce laws which could and usually did fluctuate widely between them. 
Towns established a sheriff and court system; organizing and training their 
own militia's for mutual protection.
A man did not have to participate with the town government, could keep his 
lands outside their authority; although, he could utilize the towns 
commercial properties.  Such a man would be called an 'outlaw;' meaning a 
man outside the law of the town.
There were plenty of outlaws in those days.  Not everyone accepted the law 
of the towns (nor of the counties or states to come)  If one or more of 
these 'outlaws' showed up in town acting 'wrongly' they would be shown the 
door. . . or, there could be a showdown between the town sheriff (usually 
with all his deputies).  Someone usually ended up dead in these showdowns. 
Being an outlaw was not a bad thing, although, some outlaws were bad.
The County seat was created by those who wanted to have some kind of 
continuity in their commerce dealings between the towns and also to put a 
sheriff in charge for mutual protection, not to mention setting up a court 
which could deal with issues arising.  The towns gave over a portion of the 
authority granted them by their creators to the County so it could have 
wider authority.  This was always done with the blessings of the creators, 
otherwise,
The actual state/nation/country came into being when those in the counties 
(shires, wards, what have you) decided it was time to make all things equal 
commercially.  To unify the laws of the land in commerce so people could 
know from one day to the next just what tax was going to be levied.  I 
believe it was based on the determination of Paul in Colossians (16:1&2) 
"Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the 
churches of Galatia, even so do ye.  Upon the first day of the week let 
every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there 
be no gatherings when I come.  Anyway, once the counties created the 
Constitution for their new nation/state/country, the provisional government 
of the nation created under the constitution of 1787 had no further 
authority.  The sovereigns of the land had spoken.  The newly created state 
was autonomous until it decided when and if it were going to actually enter 
into the union.

Hence, the provisional governments established by the federal government 
would have been in authority only over lands not possessed by men (inclusive 
of women).  They had no lawmaking authority over lands where a town charter 
were, but were available to assist those towns, and then the counties of 
course, if such assistance were necessary.

and that's what I understand to have occurred.

William

> hi col
>
> that's great, but as i understand it, "Oregon" was admitted to the Union 
> on
> 2/14/1859
>
> further, my understanding is that the first constitution thereof was in
> 1857, a couple of years earlier
>
> please, all, load the muzzles and fire widely if i am in error
>
> in other words, why should anyone to have expected anything other than a
> provisional [territorial] government to have been operative prior to
> Statehood
>
> because i think this question about Statehood is of such importance to 
> most
> on this list, from one to another, i'm posting it widely to other lists in
> the expectation that all who have differing opinions/evidence will feel 
> free
> to fire away
>
> regards
> ft
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Col. Lucius B Marsh [mailto:sueyouone99674@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:19 PM
> To: citizensoftheUSofA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [citizensoftheUSofA] the States are not provisional military
> governments
>
> and here's my answer
> --- jm367 <jm367@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> There is nothing provisional about the Governments of the States.
>> There is nothing military about them.  They are elected governments.
>>
>> What is right under our noses is the fact that the present 13th
>> amendment authorizes Congress to enforce by appropriate legislation.
>> It was by this power that Congress enforced passage of the present
>> 14th and 15th amendments.
>> The present 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments constituted a war power
>> over the States to be enforced by appropriate legislation.
>> The force continuum originates there though it manifests in the
>> States.
>>
>
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